November 16, 2010

Hurston, Intention, and Privilege Education

In discussions surrounding privilege, I've always had the tendency to sort people into two categories. The first category is made up of people who actively care about remedying the problems surrounding privilege. These people reblog Tumblr posts about sexism and call people by their preferred gender pronouns. They teach their kids to avoid pejoratives, and take strides to learn from their mistakes. If you read my blog, you are likely one of these people. (You probably also buy your food at Whole Foods, hah!) Still, I'm glad you exist....

In typical binary fashion, though, I tend to lump the rest of humanity into another, opposite group, colloquially referred to as assholes. These people wear tee shirts that say "Straight Pride," put rape jokes as their Facebook statuses, and discuss race with vocabulary typically reserved for oblivious grandparents and YouTube commenters. These people are upsetting, and presumably reached infrequently by opinion-changing dialogues about privilege.

Today, however, I realized that a third group also exists. In my class called Reading Cultures, the assignment was to read Zora Neale Hurston's book Mules and Men, a collection of African-American folktales, voodoo customs, and superstitions written primarily in African-American Vernacular English. In the discussion section following the reading, I cringed as my preodominately-white group of classmates fumbled to find the proper words to discuss race with tact. Phrases like African-Ameican came out sounding awkward. An us/them dichotomy made frequent appearances. The conversation was uncomfortable, but undoubtedly good natured. These people didn't fall into the group accustomed to discussing privilege, but they most certainly were not bigoted assholes.

I think in discussing privilege it's important to remember this group of people, those with noble intentions, but lacking in adequate devices to enter the conversation. This group could easily be converted to Team Thoughtful Opinion if only they were educated on the topic of privilege. I'm not advocating some extreme degree of political correctness. I don't believe that euphemisms and minced-words lead to real understanding between groups. What I would love to see is some sort of primer on sensitivity introduced at a young age. I'm not talking about corny multicolored-people-holding-hands-around-the-globe type stuff, more like a basic introduction to the vocabulary needed for discussing privilege with tact. I think that if people knew how to address these often-uncomfortable topics with grace, massive amounts of progress could be achieved.


  1. I fully agree with all of this. I read a book by Zora Neale Hurston last year called "Their Eyes Were Watching God" and i felt that uncomfortable awkwardness looming throughout my "multi-cultured" class. Many white kids wanted to seem neutral and thoughtful, but i could feel the tension they had about discussing something that they were not a part of.

  2. Temple is often called (by, of course, Temple) the "most diverse campus in america/the world," which always sounded like mega-hyperbole, but it is a bit true. In almost any gen ed class you're pretty likely to have an evenly mixed group of people, especially in classes surrounding Race and Ethnicity. There are white people, black people, Indian people, hispanic people, Asian people, all kinds of peeps. This mix of people does not make it any more comfortable to watch this third group operate.

    One white girl in my class said she didn't agree that "white privilege" exists, which we all know is a preposterous statement. It also made every non-white person in my class explode with laughter. Also, when working on a project that was aimed at celebrating the differences of transgenders, one of my white classmates referred to a black classmate who had given part of a presentation about the musical "Hairspray" earlier that day. The black guy slurred some of his words and spoke with a more casual vernacular (one which might be called a more hood way to speak, but this even leaves a bad taste in my mouth a bit), but he got to his point efficiently and accurately, and I didn't see anything wrong with his delivery except that he might want to enunciate a bit more. My white classmate said that, "It was amazing that he even got to college," suggesting that a black guy who speaks that way probably isn't smart enough to make it into a State School, a remark that led me to treat this white kid with absolutely no intellectual respect following this statement.

    So when I try and speak in class, I try and be up front. I don't say African American, I say black, because I just do. Neither is more or less offensive, ask anybody. And if we had a conversation concerning words that can be considered awful like nigger, faggot, spic, wop, what have you, I would say the full word instead of sheepishly referring to it as "The N word." And even though me saying nigger in an educational environment turned every head of every black kid in my class squarely in my direction, and some with malice in their eyes, I stood my ground, because I believe in educational discourse and the freedom to say what I want to say in order to be understood thoroughly. Anyone who thinks that's racist is wrong, and I don't have time for that.

    So my advice to the third group is this: Choose your words carefully, but don't trip over them. Stand your ground when you know you need to, and never say anything in order to directly offend someone, but don't be afraid to say facts or things that are hard to hear even if you're afraid of being labeled. Only a fool would label someone before they've gotten to know them, so don't feel bad if the gay black kid in your class still doesn't like you because you decided to talk about the elephant in the room.

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  4. Reblogging Tumblr posts? Calling people by their preferred pronouns?

    You think this a dialogue surrounding privilege?

    This is a bunch of white kids in $50,000 a year academia discussing a book. You are one of them. So am I. But I am incredibly fed up with people who think that using the right words and posting things on their blogs are going to make the world better. Yes, those things are important, but we need a whole lot more than that. We need people getting down and dirty and actually experiencing what it means to be underprivileged, to be lower class, to be poor, and then committing their lives to changing that.

    Do you realize that when you make references to "shopping at Whole Foods" in casual conversation, you are alienating people who can't afford to buy their groceries there, much as they might like to?

    Your points in this post are valid, but you need to also recognize that you are looking at the world through an incredibly privileged lens.

  5. This is a dialogue surrounding privilege. Is Jamie privileged? Yes, she and we all know this. To imply that we can all somehow understand on a real level what it's like to not have privilege is ridiculous. No matter how much time someone works in an underprivileged neighborhood or volunteers with organizations dedicated to helping individuals who are not privileged, they will never lose their privilege. To assume that someone can really understand not having their privilege is silly. Simply being able to volunteer is a position of privilege.

  6. Anon- I'm hyperaware the I'm coming from a place of privilege. There is a difference between activism and awareness, though. I am discussing the latter. I'm simply outlining two attitudes toward privilege that I previously noticed, and I how I came to see a third. This is a personal experience, not some kind of generalization of humanity and perceptions of privilege as a whole.

  7. Bravo Jamie, excellent response. I also agree with Elizabeth.

    Those who are privileged shouldn't feel ashamed to be so. I work with students who live in a low economic neighborhood and see firsthand how the lack of education and privilege continues through the generations. It's tough to get out of those situations and many of privilege work with these people to help them get out and they don't. There are many reasons why and to name even one would be minmizing the magnitude of the problem. Check out the movie Waiting for Superman and see what happens when a huge problem is blamed on the public school system.

  8. Do first-years still read "White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack" during orientation? I thought the use of this article did a good job of bringing up these types of questions, although I agree that my eighteen-year-old peers were not necessarily well-equipped to discuss them.

    But I don't know if I see sensitivity training as the answer, although maybe I just don't understand what you would propose specifically. But I think it would be much more productive to expose younger children to more diverse situations--for instance, I grew up in a wealthy suburb, and rarely had the opportunity to interact with people who were different than me (racially, socioeconomically, in their political affiliation or sexuality or even the kinds of music they listened to, the list goes on). I think spending more time outside their communities would broaden children's minds and make them more comfortable with complex conversations later in life. I see this possibility as being more successful than a conversation that takes place within their community. But I could be wrong.

  9. I have always liked the idea of mentoring. Organizations like Big Brothers/Sister that work to expose kids to people, places, experiences... can really broaden the viewpoint of those not privileged. Maybe the focus should be on bringing others "over" so they learn to strive for more... just a thought.

  10. I agree with the Whole Foods comment - a lot of us can't afford to shop there, much as we might like to (although ideally we wouldn't shop there, we'd shop at small local businesses).
    I decided to stop using the term African-American because a) black people are not all from Africa and b) I have a friend who is, in fact, African-American (immigrated from Nigeria & is now an American citizen). So, using the term to refer to all black people who live in America seems inane.

  11. Privilege is not the problem - lack of awareness is the problem. If people are not aware of the privileges accorded to them by virtue of their age, race, education, socio-economic status etc. etc., they cannot understand the circumstances of those who are not accorded the same privileges.
    Your "third group" is starting on the road to awareness. Many will (hopefully) join your "first group," However, many will also fall into a fourth category - those who are apathetic or for whom the concept of privilege is just "too hard to deal with."
    These people will choose to ignore the situation altogether. They will stay in their comfort zone (physically and intellectually) and choose not to think about it. They will never do anything overtly racist or sexist (or any other -ist) but they will never do anything to challenge the status quo either. Depressingly, their numbers will grow as their demographic gets older and "real life" (putting food on the table, keeping a job, living in a "good" school district etc.) becomes an excuse for closing their eyes to the larger world.

  12. Straightforwardness is the answer. I hate beating around the bush. And Whole Paycheck Foods.

  13. Hi,
    Welcome back - one difficulty in discussing race is clearly terminology. In an academic setting, the choices might come down to "descendants of former slaves and their owners" or "African Americans", since black is rather non descriptive of the "one drop" principle still enshrined in American culture. In private conversation I've never had a problem with anyone using "black" as a descriptive term.

    Hey - and don't let the haters get to you.

  14. I really enjoyed this. Where I'm from, white Privilege is something you can't talk about comfortably. However, I would like to expand your groups. From my experience, the "black" version of your groups are the group that believes in the value of education and the group that believes there is a separate code of conduct for blacks. The first group is not so different from you, minus the trips to whole foods. The second group, however, is full of ignorant people who do things such as saying the N- Word frequently, doing things that are blatantly disrespectful to women, and staying uneducated. They're basically walking stereotypes.

  15. My two cents on hyphenated-Americans: If you are not a first- or second-generation immigrant, you shouldn't be able to call yourself a hyphenated-American. Unless you identify strongly with the culture your family came from--socially, religiously, politically, or otherwise--I don't think it's appropriate or fair to claim a dual identity, and in fact doing so is only hindering the progress that we need to make to get anywhere on this issue.

    But then again, I'm a privileged white girl, so why should I opine on a topic that I will literally never have to confront on a personal level?

  16. Are you familiar with Doris Lessing's concept of "boulder pushers"? Nothing to do with privilege, but she develops the idea that while some people are unaware (of things, generally) and others ("great people") have great ideas, there's a third group of people -- the boulder pushers -- who have to spend their lives putting the great ideas (boulders) back on the mountain of human knowledge after they've fallen (but never quite tot the bottom) in order to do their part of the job for human progress.
    This idea is very comforting to me when I wonder about my place in society.
    If you just google "boulder pushers" you'll get extensive quotes from the original book, which is The Golden Notebook. If you've got a bit of time, it's a truly wonderful piece of work and you should read it!

  17. @Anonymous 3:07am:

    Well-intentioned but impractical colorblindness does not solve racism or make it easier to talk about race issues; it actually exacerbates the problem by glossing over the fact that systemic racism exists.

    Additionally, visible minorities often don't have the privilege of identifying themselves simply as 'American,' even if they strongly identify as such, because there will always be people who believe otherwise due to minorities not being perceived as white. This is related to conversations of, "Where are you from? No, where are you REALLY from?" or "What are you?"

    Anyways, I will continue to identify as a biracial-American/Canadian, and I think it's absolutely appropriate and fair to do so because, even though I am 3rd generation, my racial/ethnic background has shaped my experiences and beliefs, and it'd actually be unfair not to recognize that.

  18. in paragraph 2 you described my classmates perfectly. your a genius.

  19. Growing up, my husband and I lived in middle class white families in the midwest. Our parents were not overtly racist - no insensitive jokes and so on - but there was still a clear bias. I was told not to marry a black man, for example, because he would never be accepted by my family.

    When you grow up in that atmosphere, there's no way to come out completely clean. You can do your best not to be racist but there's still a voice in the back of your head telling you that black people are different. We both grew up with that and, accepting that we could not overcome the shortfalls of our upbringing, we agreed not to pass it on to the next generation - or do our best in that attempt, anyway.

    In my opinion, we succeeded. I'm aware that telling you WHY I think we succeeded is akin to telling people you have black friends. But, I don't know another way to say this. Our daughter is dating a black man. We think he's wonderful. And, we think we will be happy to have him as family, should they decide to marry.

  20. I think I'd like to add a fourth category - the comedian. Not in the literal sense, of course, but I have noticed that many comedians feel the way of this fourth category. Without further ado, the comedian notices the privilege gap and responds to it with humor, not because they are belittling the "other" (as in this us-them dichotomy you experience in your class) but as an onlooker. Certainly it's difficult to be objective to a society in which you reside, or even thrive, but the comedian looks at this "us-them" distance and says "This is ridiculous. Us and them are social constructs, a divide and conquer of society's own creating. Why not turn it on it's head?"

    I suppose my point is to respond to "straight pride, etc." comment. Admittedly, to the sensitive and home-hit, those jokes can be hurtful, and things like rape and suicide that truly are crimes to humanity should not be treated as folly, but the "straight pride" shirt isn't something to think of as an attack. I feel it's more of an "anyone can have pride" statement than a "gays don't get to have pride!" statement.

  21. A story from my one of my college experiences:

    Around 1996 I had transferred from community college to a state college in a smaller and whiter city. One of the required courses was a communications class specifically on cultural awareness meant to counteract the ignorance of many undergraduates who were the product of a super-white, semi-rural or small town existence. On the first day of class, my second semester at this college, the instructor-- a tenured professor who looked and dressed fairly young-- spoke briefly on how language can be used hurtfully on purpose but can also hurt unintentionally. She used examples such as how one might be accustomed to saying "He tried to Jew me down to a lower price" and the like. After using several good examples, she ended this discussion by saying "So you see, language that one person may not know is hurtful can leave some people feeling gypped." She was not using the word gypped in an ironic sense to reference the conversation we had just had. She honestly didn't know that the word gypped should have been one of her most meaningful examples. I was the only person in a class of 45 that seemed to be agog at this fairure of connection.

    Probably relatedly, I got a call while driving home from an employer offering me work that I couldn't take because of college. I took the job anyway because I couldn't justify steeping myself in the colleges juices when there was money to be made in a more diverse place. (I eventually went back and finished several more degrees, for the record.)

  22. I know this is belated, but, at Chloe, two comments up:

    "I suppose my point is to respond to "straight pride, etc." comment. Admittedly, to the sensitive and home-hit, those jokes can be hurtful, and things like rape and suicide that truly are crimes to humanity should not be treated as folly, but the "straight pride" shirt isn't something to think of as an attack. I feel it's more of an "anyone can have pride" statement than a "gays don't get to have pride!" statement."

    Except that the shirts had the following quote on the back:

    "If a man lay with a male as those who lay with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination and shall surely be put to DEATH."

    That sounds like a pretty clear attack to me.

  23. I teach Cultural Diversity at the Associate's Degree level. Man, am I familiar with those awkward conversations, and with students clueless enough to still believe that "oriental" is the preferred terminology.

    One reason why these conversations are awkward is because we don't have them. Race and privilege is a taboo subject for many reasons. My students fumble their way through discussions, inadvertently offend others, and then get blustery and defensive when they are called on it. Or they are horrified to learn that Oriental is an offensive term. Or they belligerently declare that there is no such thing as racism. Or they smugly state that "they don't see race", which always makes me want to respond, "please let me know if your visual impairment will require modification of any course material". ("are you blind?" is of course a very ableist thing to say.)

    If we actually spent time talking about these subjects at an age-appropriate but not condescending level throughout life, many of these issues (surrounding awkwardness as relates to the third group) would be solved.

  24. At Jennifer,

    Wasn't getting the full picture before, but that sure is an attack.

    I still stand by my post though, to say that there is somewhat of a hypersensitivity to comedy. Certainly the case of that specific shirt that includes death threats is completely uncalled for and offensive, but there is a line between "jest" and "offensive", rather than "anything, including lighthearted jokes, is prohibited".

  25. So, I know I'm a bit late, but I thought I'd comment with my thoughts on this blog post. I'm not a college yet, and as a very young person, I'd like to put my opinions across because this was very interesting to read.

    I go to an incredibly priviliged, private school. I'll be completely honest here; English school, in the south of France, which would cost my parents 40,000 euros a year to send my brother and I to. We pay nothing for this education as my mother works at the school. I understand how that makes me even more priviliged in so many ways. But what I truly love about my school is how it is a school which can truly call itself multicultural. My best friends are from Thailand, Africa, Germany, Holland, Malaysia, China; and that's just some of my closer friends.
    What I'm trying to say is that there are people who are as ignorant about other cultures as most people were just fifty years ago, but I think a lot more kids nowadays are becoming more involved with other cultures, more understanding.

    A guy in my class made a sexist remark to me the other day. He said to my friend and I, "You know what woman backwards is? KITCHEN.". Every single person in the class just stared at him, and then one guy said "Not cool." and the teacher sent him out of the room. Nobody could really believe he'd just made a joke like that.

    What I'm saying is that given the correct upbringing, 'priviliged' kids can sure be accepting and sensitive. I'm not saying there isn't a trend to dress slutty and 'frape' people at my school. There is. But comparing to other schools, it really makes me wish there were a lot of schools like mine, where race and gender don't matter to anyone. People tend to take the time to get to know someone, and don't discriminate. And in PSHE, I don't feel awkward talking to one of my black friends about black rights. Nobody does. Having said that, obviously people bitch about each other, some people don't like others, but that occurs everywhere. I'm making my school sound incredibly idillic, but what I mean is that in some schools, people are trying to teach young people like myself the values and decency, and that noone should be discriminated against, and that some jokes are not jokes but insensitive remarks and wrong. I was quite upset reading these comments (like that issue with the T-shirt), although I did agree with Chloe that 'Certainly the case of that specific shirt that includes death threats is completely uncalled for and offensive, but there is a line between "jest" and "offensive", rather than "anything, including lighthearted jokes, is prohibited".'

  26. Having never been any other color, I have to say that I am not always aware of racism, or the ramifications of something so basic and unalterable about myself: my pale skin.

    As one of the white lower class, I have to say that from where I'm standing, privilege takes on a whole new meaning. My mother cleans houses for a living. My father is a salesman. They are divorced. I am going to a state school, and paying for it myself. I have been through many economic classes in my life (there was the time my mother dated a millionaire...) but in general I have always been on the lower socioeconomic rungs.

    My problem was that I grew up in a predominantly white, middle-class town with a good public school system. Racism came up in class and we were all told the same thing. We had a Diversity Club and a Gay-Straight Alliance. I thought all of the US was like that...until I moved to a Puerto Rican ghetto in Chicago. My friends in the city were shocked that I lived there. (Humboldt Park, in case anyone knows what that place was like in 2006.)

    Oh man! Race isn't invisible after all! I went WAAAAY out of my comfort zone. I know what it is like to be the only one my color. I know what it means to navigate a world not in your native language. I learned a lot of things living in Chicago, but one of them was that this country is brown, brown, brown. You know what? I learned how to speak with people with a different education than I had. I learned that ANY conversation is better than none, and turns that scary older man in at the bus stop into a comrade to commiserate on how extremely cold it is at 1am.

    No matter where you go, people are people. I know I lived in a place with a different culture than mine, and I am never going to claim I took it on as my own, but I did what pretty much every American has done: I adopted the parts that suited me, accepted what I had to do to survive, and I thrived there. I never got mugged once, never harassed, never held up at gun-point. Even though I was living in contested territory between the Latin Kings and a newer, more violent gang. And it wasn't because I fit in, either.

    Now I am studying abroad in India, something that poor kids like me only get to dream about. I made it here of my own merit and hard work, and I am proud of it. Racism shows up here's strange to be considered the epitome of all things Western and WHITE (and whiteness = purity), and still be propositioned for sex nearly every day, because of what the people here think I am like. I am at the other end of foreign: exoticism. I never thought it would happen to me. I still haven't sorted that one out, yet.

    So...this was long and rambling, and did not have much of a point. I just wanted to share my experiences with other, see if anyone had similar ones.

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